Padding space at the left border

[sergei karhof]

I have just tried the 2.2.3 version of Bluefish.
I have not been trying to find a way to set some 'padding space' at
the left margin. I don't want the text I type appear too near the left
border or the editing frame. There should be at least some empty space
of a few pixels, or possibly the space equivalent to one or two
characters.
I seem to remember that this problem was somehow solved a few months
ago, but I don't remember how.
Can someone please refresh my memory?

Thanks in advance

Serg

[sergei karhof]

Sorry, in my previous email I mistakenly wrote:

"I have not been trying to find a way to..."

whereas I obviously meant "I HAVE been trying to find a way to..."

Apologies for the confusion...

Post by sergei karhof
I have just tried the 2.2.3 version of Bluefish.
I have not been trying to find a way to set some 'padding space' at
the left margin. I don't want the text I type appear too near the left
border or the editing frame. There should be at least some empty space
of a few pixels, or possibly the space equivalent to one or two
characters.
I seem to remember that this problem was somehow solved a few months
ago, but I don't remember how.
Can someone please refresh my memory?
Thanks in advance
Serg

[Olivier Sessink]

Post by sergei karhof
I have just tried the 2.2.3 version of Bluefish.
I have not been trying to find a way to set some 'padding space' at
the left margin. I don't want the text I type appear too near the left
border or the editing frame. There should be at least some empty space
of a few pixels, or possibly the space equivalent to one or two
characters.
I seem to remember that this problem was somehow solved a few months
ago, but I don't remember how.
Can someone please refresh my memory?

it was not really solved: the margin was extended with 1 pixel, but it is
still hardcoded in the bluefish binary.

I'm a bit in doubt if we should add this as option to the preferences
panel: too many options in the preferences panel makes it very difficult
to use for novice users.

Any opinions on this anyone?

Olivier

[sergei karhof]

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Olivier Sessink

Post by Olivier Sessink

Post by sergei karhof
I have just tried the 2.2.3 version of Bluefish.
I have not been trying to find a way to set some 'padding space' at
the left margin. I don't want the text I type appear too near the left
border or the editing frame. There should be at least some empty space
of a few pixels, or possibly the space equivalent to one or two
characters.
I seem to remember that this problem was somehow solved a few months
ago, but I don't remember how.
Can someone please refresh my memory?

it was not really solved: the margin was extended with 1 pixel, but it is
still hardcoded in the bluefish binary.
I'm a bit in doubt if we should add this as option to the preferences
panel: too many options in the preferences panel makes it very difficult
to use for novice users.
Any opinions on this anyone?

It's very simple: if you don't want to include it in the preferences,
just increase the default padding of some more pixels.

[Dean Harding]

Post by sergei karhof
It's very simple: if you don't want to include it in the preferences,
just increase the default padding of some more pixels.

Not really a "solution" but I find if you enable line numbers, it
gives a pretty good margin.

Dean.

[sergei karhof]

Post by Dean Harding
Not really a "solution" but I find if you enable line numbers, it
gives a pretty good margin.

Yes, but that is not a solution either. And it does not apply for
those who deliberately disabled the line numbers!

With regard to the risk of "adding too many options", two possible
ways come to my mind: (1) let the advanced user modify an advanced
setting (like the one we are talking about) directly from a
configuration file. Obviously, the developers would tell us where to
find it. (2) add an "advanced menus" option, already present in many
UI, for overcoming this very problem. This way, you can add many more
menu commands without the fear of cluttering the menus, because they
will be displayed only for those users who are really interested in
them, and invisible to the other users. The complexity will be
partially 'hidden'.

Thinking about the padding at the margins, I find that it had better
be symmetrical. That is, if you leave, say, 5 pixels at the left side,
there should also be 5 empty pixels at the right side.
This is a standard feature of many text editors, and it improves the
visual appearance.
I still believe that it deserves to be implemented as an option.

Serg

[Wayne Sallee]

Yea, I'd say, add it as an advanced option. Using and advanced settings location is a good way to give the new users a
simple to find common options, without clutter, while giving advanced users the advanced options needed.

Wayne Sallee

Post by sergei karhof
(2) add an "advanced menus" option, already present in many
UI, for overcoming this very problem. This way, you can add many more
menu commands without the fear of cluttering the menus, because they
will be displayed only for those users who are really interested in
them, and invisible to the other users. The complexity will be
partially 'hidden'.

[Olivier Sessink]

Post by sergei karhof
Thinking about the padding at the margins, I find that it had better
be symmetrical. That is, if you leave, say, 5 pixels at the left side,
there should also be 5 empty pixels at the right side.
This is a standard feature of many text editors, and it improves the
visual appearance.
I still believe that it deserves to be implemented as an option.

which margin would you like to increase b.t.w.: they greyish border
(outside margin), or the white text background (inside margin)?

Olivier

[sergei karhof]

Post by Olivier Sessink
which margin would you like to increase b.t.w.: they greyish border
(outside margin), or the white text background (inside margin)?

The inner one. I don't want the first character of the line to be
sticking closely to the border.

[Olivier Sessink]

Post by sergei karhof

Post by Dean Harding
Not really a "solution" but I find if you enable line numbers, it
gives a pretty good margin.

Yes, but that is not a solution either. And it does not apply for
those who deliberately disabled the line numbers!
With regard to the risk of "adding too many options", two possible
ways come to my mind: (1) let the advanced user modify an advanced
setting (like the one we are talking about) directly from a
configuration file. Obviously, the developers would tell us where to
find it. (2) add an "advanced menus" option, already present in many
UI, for overcoming this very problem. This way, you can add many more
menu commands without the fear of cluttering the menus, because they
will be displayed only for those users who are really interested in
them, and invisible to the other users. The complexity will be
partially 'hidden'.

I added the options adv_textview_right_margin: and
adv_textview_left_margin: to rcfile-2.0 in subversion. Please test if
this does what you like.

Olivier

[sergei karhof]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Olivier Sessink

Post by Olivier Sessink
I added the options adv_textview_right_margin: and
adv_textview_left_margin: to rcfile-2.0 in subversion. Please test if
this does what you like.

Could you please provide a link to a pre-compiled for Windows?
Thanks

[Olivier Sessink]

@Shawn: do you have a recent bluefish snapshot windows package available?

Olivier

Post by sergei karhof
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Olivier Sessink

Post by Olivier Sessink
I added the options adv_textview_right_margin: and
adv_textview_left_margin: to rcfile-2.0 in subversion. Please test if
this does what you like.

Could you please provide a link to a pre-compiled for Windows?
Thanks